Flag burning only the cotton and wool, bury the nylon or recycle
This Sunday, 1 Merchant Rd, Framingham, across from the prision, at 4PM, various Vietnam Veteran groups, police and fire will burn (in a dignified way) the used flags turned into the Memorial building, plus the smaller grave side flags picked up every year at the cemeteries. The last time I remember this happening was in 2008 at Cushing Park. Peter Harvell was the VSO back then and Larry Herson from the Jewish War Veterans was the other veteran involved. It took many hours of constant stirring of the burning flags to burn. The smoke was black, thick and as I know now, or am aware of now, that smoke was toxic, because most of the flags were made of nylon. My flags at my house are cotton and the POW MIA flag is nylon.
I write this as a historical reference to what happened in 2009, when the VSO Peter Harvell packed up the flags in bags and shipped them off to an incinerator. And the reason was, most flags are made out of nylon and burning plastic creates toxins in the air, so the practice was stopped. The MWDN covered it well.
https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20090529/NEWS/305299902
Worn-out flags turned in for retirement won’t have a ceremonial burning with veterans and reverent words to mark Flag Day this year.Worn-out flags turned in for retirement won’t have a ceremonial burning with veterans and reverent words to mark Flag Day this year.
Instead, the dozen or so garbage bags full of worn flags will be hauled in the back of a town pickup and dumped in a commercial incinerator for burning.
It’s not a lack of patriotism forcing the move away from the flag-burning ceremony this year. The problem is the flags, which are made from polyester and nylon. Those materials create acrid, toxic smoke when burned.
“We’re veterans, not environmental terrorists,” said Peter Harvell, the town’s veteran services director.
During last year’s Flag Day ceremony, bags of old flags were burned outdoors in Cushing Park and the result was a scene less than honorable.
“It was a black, plastic-burning cloud,” Harvell said. “It’s just too toxic to burn.”
Larry Herson from the Framingham Veterans Council said it took four hours of stirring to burn off the stinky goo of melted flags.
Many small flags are made of 50 percent polyester. Larger flags are often made of nylon.
Tattered flags from town cemeteries are picked up by town crews and added to the flags residents deposit in drop boxes. The bags of flags from those collections now fill Harvell’s office.
“I have hundreds of pounds of plastic to dispose of properly,” Harvell said.
FlagCode
The heart of the matter is “destroying in a dignified way”. The Flag Code is the single federal statute that refers to flag disposal. It states:
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
The code was written in 1923, well before the advent of synthetic fabrics. I think it is clear that the code directs us to not simply dispose of flags but to destroy them so they cannot be displayed or used in a disrespectful manner. There’s nothing in the flag code that specifies exactly when a flag is destroyed. Flag retirement ceremonies I have attended seem to favor cutting the flag down the center of the long axis between the bottom of the union (blue field) and the first long stripe before it is burned.
The code seems to contemplate alternatives to burning in the use of the modifier ‘preferably‘. I think any reasonable person would consider recycling a dignified method of disposal. Perhaps the best way forward is finding a local resource for fabric recycling and asking them to accept flags you have destroyed by cutting as described above in a dignified manner.
It is worth mentioning that the Flag Code is the single official source for flag etiquette. All other sources , suggestions, directions, ceremonial observances, history and laws you may find floating around the internet (including the one you are reading now) are the opinion of an individual or a group and nothing more.
10 Comments:
Jim you have the 411 on the veterans community. What is the backstory of why the city veteran employees left?
I like most were caught off-guard with their resignation. I hadn't heard of any complaints from veterans. Perhaps they didn't want to be hrilled by the council. I don't believe they were overworked, underpaid or unappreciated.
Nam Vet Ed Carr and company had a large pit dug out for the flags to be burned. While we were there, the small grave side flags that were thrown in did produce a black smoke. They are made from nylon and is why they last so long at cemeteries. There must have been a dozen garbage bags filled with used flags at the site. We didn't stay for all of them to be burned. It was a nice ceremony. No one there remembered when the flags were burned at Cushing Park in 2008.
How do we find out why the 2 employees of the city in the Veteran's Dept. left and who is covering those positions now?
So is everyone who went going to die from the toxic fumes from burning nylon flags?
Saw the pictures on your Facebook page from this event. I had not even heard about it. Looks like a nice event. Is that the statue from the VietNam vets memorial at the Lancers place? How did they move it there?
The Mayor said others are helping out. I presume its the former VSO Peter Harvell or employee's at the Memorial building or maybe the VSO in Natick Paul Carew.
You can file a FOIA asking HR to disclose the results of their exit interviews with the two VSO's. It may be redacted for various reasons but worth a try. Other than that, I don't think Deloris Hamilton would just say if you e mailed her.
I don't think anyone will die. Most everyone left before the bags of flags were burned. If I had my grand kids there, I would have made sure they didn't stand downwind. My only point was that the flag burning was stopped in 2009 because of the toxic smoke produced. The Flag burning rules were made long before we became environmentally aware of how toxic burning plastics can be. Military troops that were stationed in Afghanistan and other countries we had a presence in have had health issues from the toxic clouds they were exposed to from the burn pits that are still raging as we withdraw from our longest war.
I do wonder why there were so many garbage bags full of flags. I replace mine maybe once every two or three years. I believe it's the VSO's job to properly dispose of them.
I had the same thought about the statue. I felt like a complete idiot asking Ed Carr how they moved the statue. Dahhh
The one at the event was a plastic model that was in place at the MWRTA center before the bronze one was made. I guess they keep it over at the Lancer's place.
Were alll those bags of flags from Framingham or was it from several communities? Jim you always attend these events. When is the last time Framingham did a flag burning event like this ?
I suspect the flags are from Framingham. Any time I dropped off flags the boxes were full.
I attended the last burn in 2008. I don't remember hearing about flag burning since then. The year after I believe the flags were sent to an incinerator but I don't know for sure.
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